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'Georg' Jun 24, 2010 5:25 PM GMT 'Hi john, sure I do work for Microsoft (did you Bing! me? :)). But my points were personal opinions and clarification of facts, not official word of MS. So, once again in that same capacity, let me respectfully do the same again. 1) You don''t need CALs for Communicator, in fact it''s a free download with BPOS-S. 2) The guideline limit for BPOS-S today is 30k, not 20k, and this limit will be significantly revised in future. 3) there is identity management integration with both flavours of BPOS 4) a Zero recovery time isn''t in the Google contract, 5) of course BPOS-D is a global solution, that''s why we have customers like GSK, Novartis, Aviva, Coca-Cola Enterprises, and many others who operate in multiple countries with >100k users. Google cannot remotely claim the same. Sorry, I''m not trying to disagree subjectively, but these are facts which needed clearing up. So, who do you work for?'
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'John' Jun 9, 2010 6:56 PM GMT 'Georg. Aren''t you with Microsoft? You should give this disclaimer. Without CALS you can''t install Office Communicator which is required for video, audio, file transfer etc. No? For more than 20k users the comparison would have to be Google vs BPOS-D and there is also no Identity Management integration with BPOS so if you want that you need BPOS-D as well. Also, if you do want to do identity management integration with BPOS-D it also better be using Active Directory. Recovery time for Google failover to another datacenter is zero and can go across multiple datacenters. BPOS-D is also not a global solution as datacenter pairs must exist in either Europe or US.'
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'Georg Ell' May 27, 2010 6:15 AM GMT 'The folks comenting saying you need CALs to run BPOS are wrong. You don''t. And in fact BPOS subscriptions can replace CALs since they give you on-premise use rights as well as Cloud - because you can deploy in that mixed mode if your business needs it, which you can''t with Google. Rich, multi-party audio/video are absoltuely available without CALs. BPOS-D is expensive - but it''s also only for companies with more than 20k users. BPOS-S is the correct comparison with Google - multi-tenancy. And since 90% of GAPE users only use mail, the best comparison is Exchange Online - which is *cheaper* at list price than GAPE, as well as a richer, more familiar mail experience for the Enterprise. By the way, the other user who says "zero recovery time" about Google is also incorrect. Google don''t offer a receovery time SLA at all - that''s not the same as zero!! Microsoft do offer an SLA, and have improved it multiple times in the past 12 months at no cost to customers. On the other hand, in Google''s SLA you can experience an infinite number of downtime periods of less than 0 minutes each, and it doesn''t count as a miss. Imagine pressing Send for 10 minutes - how frustrating!'
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'John' May 5, 2010 5:03 PM GMT 'I don''t think everyone was slagging exchange. Exchange is a fine product, but I can also understand why Google was chosen. I also don''t think everyone on here is non-technical. For the person that was complaining about not having week numbers that is a training issue. Just go to calendars and subscribe to the week numbers and even day of the year calendars. '
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dab Apr 28, 2010 5:43 PM GMT Its interesting to read the comments from people "slagging" Exchange. I have supported Exchange for over 10years but not only Exchange, many other systems as well dating back to Pine. It strikes me that the negative comments made are by people with no technical background or involvement. Your solution is only as good as the person who architects and implements it, any solution will be bad if the wrong person provides it. Lack of knowledge on your part does not make a bad product, lack of education does.
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John Apr 23, 2010 3:55 PM GMT The same price? BPOS has no Identity Management integration, stripped down functionality, and you still need CALS to do things like video/audio chat. Also no encryption or obfuscation of mailboxes at rest in the public cloudBPOS-D has huge costs and everything is a line item that costs extra. Also does only supports Active Directory integration and no open identity standards.
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IH Apr 23, 2010 7:45 AM GMT Amazing, if Vincent would have taken th etime to look at Microsoft Online services, he would have had Exchange and Outlook in the cloud for the same price a Google Mail. All this frustation for very little advantage (if none)...
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John Apr 16, 2010 9:22 PM GMT I applaud Jaguar for the decision to move off of Microsoft and on to an infinitely scalable cloud platform.These comments read like there is a lack of training and communication. Even if you look at DR alone - ZERO recovery time!! It is easy to see the benefits of Google. Constant innovation without need for upgrades is another huge benefit. That along with the cost of a 25GB mailbox would cost on Exchange and the fact that Microsoft nickel and dimes on everything from CALS to storage space to individual features such as blackberry access. It makes the decision pretty simple. Not all of us need to drive a Range Rover at the huge premium it costs to buy and MAINTAIN that vehicle. Microsoft Exchange is the equivalent of a Range Rover while Google is a Honda Pilot. I am very happy with the fully loaded Pilot.
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Derf Tresteel Apr 16, 2010 8:26 AM GMT Its funny (supremely Ironic even) that Jaguar and Land Rover sell ourselves as "best of breed" cars, that spare no expense to the deliver the best user/driver experience, and premium engineering money can buy. When it comes to our own employees, we go for a "good enough" approach that sacrifices almost all the values we try to build into our cars. User experience - Terrible; look and feel - terrible; premium experience - terrible. Every where I look: compromises and the IT equivalent of vinyl seats. That coupled with promises things will improve some time in the future. Things that were easy and seamless - now difficult. Some - impossible and getting worse - like no offline access.Lets hope our customers dont take the same approach we are: to go with a good enough entry level vehicle full of compromises rather than the supreme JLR experience.
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Ralph Apr 8, 2010 7:11 PM GMT Mike, Google Apps Sync is not the solution to the problem, as obviously, from reading the article, Jaguar is on a slipperly slope of not just trying to migrate Exchange to GMail, but trying to force users to use Google Apps themselves instead of Office...what a nightmare.
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